Yes its a thing and simply, its this. If you're debating say Voluntary Assisted Dying (insert any issue) and there is a person or persons in the debate who are of a particular faith that is strongly for or against the issue "Arguing from Authority" is an imminent threat.
Is basically that if one argues from a Scripture point of view THAT is arguing from authority and it will not convince other people to change their mind because it comes from an authority that some people won't recognise, respect or follow.
Arguing from Authority cannot convince anyone of thought change unless you first thought change them on their spiritual faith. It is a massive insurmountable discourse barrier. The solution is by all means, if you are a person of faith do not use your faith based arguments, keep it secular. If an issue is damaging to society as a whole you can present that in a secular fashion & you will have a chance of finding a more sensible fact based solution, not disturbed and partitioned by faith or opposition to faith.
Yes, to those who are non and even anti faith they too need to tread carefully and keep it secular, non faith based. Using it as an opportunity to fire pot shots at people of faith is counter productive and again sets up insurmountable barriers to sensible solutions.
To date even amongst varying faiths things are showing disturbing trends. One particular charity for disadvantaged people in our community was shut down from using a Social Media platform that it uses as its prime generator for donations. Why?
Well on the platform they had used an "offensive term or phrase".
The operators of the site went through their entire postings to find an offensive word or phrase and couldn't find one. Then they suspected what might have happened. They replaced the word "Christian" with "Muslim" and the site was reinstalled straight away.
At present faith is being segregated and weaponised in discourse & political decision making. Both sides are involved but I suspect the more left leaning are more keen on this angle.
Keep your faith, keep adhering to your Scriptures but argue in a totally secular manner.
Keep your non faith, adhere to whatever worldview you choose but argue in a totally secular manner.
I suspect we're beginning to see some weaponizing of worldviews in WA. There are claims that the Liberals are being stacked & run by "far right Christians" which is odd because if you're far right you are not Christian, you can't be. Some might call them that, some might claim that but its not exegesis-wise possible.
The Nats have been labelled by a small few as being strongly anti faith, strongly Christian and also very divided. Those claims didn't come from Nationals or Liberals...came from the left.
Separation of Church & State...we ALREADY HAVE IT. We do not live in a theocracy or caliphate. But we do have to be careful that we keep law making & law keeping totally secular. Sorry Muslim friends, it means that Sharia Law is inconsistent with Australian Society. Same as we do not have Amish enclaves making local laws & penalties.
Secular. In political discourse its the only way to proceed to a solution from discourse.
Saturday, 27 July 2019
Saturday, 20 July 2019
Australian Politics, The Left, The Right, Conservatives & Donald Trump
Donald Trump & Australian Politics? Yes there looks like a link but its more of an effect than a connection or plan but it may play out in a big way in one particular way. First, lets look at the US scene and crack it open & guess a bit. During the Clinton/Trump US Presidential election a good US friend & I were talking & I asked which candidate would be better for the country, who's the best out of the two of them. The answer I got was "Depends one whether you like to be stabbed or slashed"
Yeah a bit cynical and almost Australian like. His view now is remarkably different. He says as much as he thought Trump was going to be a total cartoon character from The Simpsons he's had to eat humble pie. He's actually done some of the things he said he would & actually tried to do some of the things he's predecessors did. Moving their US Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, well his predecessors said they'd do that & didn't, the wall between them & Mexico, same deal. Tightening borders & deporting illegal aliens same too.
His biggest fault is claiming he'd do something and then actually carrying through. No I'm not a Trump fan boy but its hard to dispute the facts as they unfold. Is he a great leader? Maybe and maybe not. Is he a great statesman? No, not even close. He is a great salesman and he knows to close a deal he has to deliver and he's got lots of deals, every decision appears to be a deal. Now he's not the emperor calling all the shots on everything. There'll be a huge number of background briefings, advisors & support staff working different length strategies. But he does put his finger prints over things.
I don't if he'll be impeached over something, I don't know if some new scandal will come out. Fact is no one really notices now. Any other politician that had the amount of scandals he's had would be toast in the bin. Yet he survives & bounces back, often much stronger.
Now how does this an effect on Australian Politics?
Seems odd but bear with me, "The Squad"
A group of 4 left wing Congresswomen who play identity politics, group politics, victim cards and talk in the most profoundly vague generalisms not to mention complete silence when they're asked a question they don't like. Do they support or oppose the fire bombing attacks by Antifa or not? Dead silence, the reporter asks again and a again in a walk presser but they won't answer. One now is possibly going to fact a serious investigation re election fraud & possibly immigration fraud..."did you marry your brother?" and again complete silence.
The Squad have gone after Trump with a vengeance trying to do a Penn & Teller level card trick...and failed. They played the race card over & over. They went after him and possibly they should have just not poked the bear. His race credentials (if there is such a thing) seem to stack up quite well. Black Americans are thought to primarily voted Democrat, thought to be 80% range. I think that's going to change and it may slowly ended up 50:50 eventually.
The Squad went after Trump and its kind of looking like the kayak attacking the battleship.
Interesting is Black American unemployment rate double under Obama's first 2 years in office. Under Trump its currently at an all time record low. The share market has kept travelling on gain cycle too.
Not all attributable to Trump & Trump alone...but it's hard to be critical of a President that isn't playing the Left vs the Right game, is just delivering and delivering well.
The horrible cages at the border the children were placed in, Trumps copped merry hell for them but they were installed during Obama's reign. And he is not deporting refugees or immigrants, he's deporting illegal aliens.
All this has an effect, the left is taking a serious blow, the socialism of Venezuela is failing with catastrophic results for human life. Socialism is being properly outed for what it is. Against individuals going about their daily lives getting ahead without government interference.
THAT effect is going to slowly go worldwide. No it won't lead to the fall of North Korea & China but the Hard Left is going to dwindle & will be less likely to dupe people.
I think we saw in the recent Australian Federal election the exact opposite of what nearly every predicted, it was not the continued Red Tide we saw in the WA State election.
Yes it turned into a Blue vs Red election or perhaps a ScoMo vs Bill dish up but Bill Shorten was outplayed mainly by himself and he did end up losing the unlosable election. There possibly isn't a Blue vs Red tide tussle, its what best for your country, your state that's at play and people are working out what the 2 major parties in Australia are about.
If there's a draining of the swamp in Australia, its red that will likely be drained. The Greens may not win too many more seats in the decades to come, but they might make up a higher percentage of the Left in most parliaments. Further cementing the Blue team in power most likely.
Its no longer mainly Left vs Right. From here on in it'll possibly be Left vs Conservatives vs Right.
It the Left keeps fighting the Right, which is all they know the Conservatives will prevail. The downfall of Conservatives is most likely going to be self inflicted over time.
The Squad, by pursuing Trump have probably damaged their own chances and may well contribute to Trump's re-election greatly. The press is seeing the Squad as the intellectually bankrupt train wreck they are, they will continue to get massive press coverage compared to all other members of Congress and they will further cement Trump & undermine themselves. Where there's a spectacular crash, the press will follow it, nurture it and milk it for all its worth.
They are lawn & Trump is the lawn mower.
And now the age of the internet means more people are closely inspecting what Socialism is, what Neo-Marxist Post Modernism is, how to some truth is whatever you say it is even if its fictional or a deliberate lie.
In WA's upcoming State Election (20 months away) its likely the Red Tide will recede. McGowan could lose power & government. The biggest thing will be whether people vote Liberal or Nationals if they flee Labor at the ballot. Nationals don't run in most seats so metro will not see that Blue vs Green & Gold contest. Might in some country seats.
So yes, Trump may have an effect on Australian politics in the next 12-18 months. I expect & hope it will cause people to less Neo-Marxist. I don't think McGowan will deliver as much as he said he would even by plundering Royalties for Regions to cost shift the financials. Yes, the bush is subsidising MetroDebt and quite a few other projects in Metro Labor held seats.
Interesting is Black American unemployment rate double under Obama's first 2 years in office. Under Trump its currently at an all time record low. The share market has kept travelling on gain cycle too.
Not all attributable to Trump & Trump alone...but it's hard to be critical of a President that isn't playing the Left vs the Right game, is just delivering and delivering well.
The horrible cages at the border the children were placed in, Trumps copped merry hell for them but they were installed during Obama's reign. And he is not deporting refugees or immigrants, he's deporting illegal aliens.
All this has an effect, the left is taking a serious blow, the socialism of Venezuela is failing with catastrophic results for human life. Socialism is being properly outed for what it is. Against individuals going about their daily lives getting ahead without government interference.
THAT effect is going to slowly go worldwide. No it won't lead to the fall of North Korea & China but the Hard Left is going to dwindle & will be less likely to dupe people.
I think we saw in the recent Australian Federal election the exact opposite of what nearly every predicted, it was not the continued Red Tide we saw in the WA State election.
Yes it turned into a Blue vs Red election or perhaps a ScoMo vs Bill dish up but Bill Shorten was outplayed mainly by himself and he did end up losing the unlosable election. There possibly isn't a Blue vs Red tide tussle, its what best for your country, your state that's at play and people are working out what the 2 major parties in Australia are about.
If there's a draining of the swamp in Australia, its red that will likely be drained. The Greens may not win too many more seats in the decades to come, but they might make up a higher percentage of the Left in most parliaments. Further cementing the Blue team in power most likely.
Its no longer mainly Left vs Right. From here on in it'll possibly be Left vs Conservatives vs Right.
It the Left keeps fighting the Right, which is all they know the Conservatives will prevail. The downfall of Conservatives is most likely going to be self inflicted over time.
The Squad, by pursuing Trump have probably damaged their own chances and may well contribute to Trump's re-election greatly. The press is seeing the Squad as the intellectually bankrupt train wreck they are, they will continue to get massive press coverage compared to all other members of Congress and they will further cement Trump & undermine themselves. Where there's a spectacular crash, the press will follow it, nurture it and milk it for all its worth.
They are lawn & Trump is the lawn mower.
And now the age of the internet means more people are closely inspecting what Socialism is, what Neo-Marxist Post Modernism is, how to some truth is whatever you say it is even if its fictional or a deliberate lie.
In WA's upcoming State Election (20 months away) its likely the Red Tide will recede. McGowan could lose power & government. The biggest thing will be whether people vote Liberal or Nationals if they flee Labor at the ballot. Nationals don't run in most seats so metro will not see that Blue vs Green & Gold contest. Might in some country seats.
So yes, Trump may have an effect on Australian politics in the next 12-18 months. I expect & hope it will cause people to less Neo-Marxist. I don't think McGowan will deliver as much as he said he would even by plundering Royalties for Regions to cost shift the financials. Yes, the bush is subsidising MetroDebt and quite a few other projects in Metro Labor held seats.
Yes I do think a reckoning is coming, I think we may see the Federal result replicated in the upcoming WA State Election & I think we might enter a period where Identity Politics, Group Politics, Post Modernist Neo-Marxism and all the Socialist bents will get cracked open like the left will not want. They will be inspected closely & found wanting. The faces will be red too.
What will be funny to watch is how Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau will weigh in and take it to a gob smackingly daft new level. On the world stage he's considered a joke and a fool. I think he'll confirm those views & probably support the anti Semitic Squad at some point.
What will be funny to watch is how Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau will weigh in and take it to a gob smackingly daft new level. On the world stage he's considered a joke and a fool. I think he'll confirm those views & probably support the anti Semitic Squad at some point.
Saturday, 13 July 2019
WA's Current Political Landscape...
Every political party is going to go through ebbs and flows. WA Lberals did but suffering an electoral defeat that wasn't unfairly referred to as the Red Tide. Now in the Lower House Labor doesn't need a lot of their MPs to be present to run their majority. In the Upper House, not so much. If the flu goes through the chamber some things could go a little pear shaped for the Government.
WALabor certainly has its ebb & flow dynamic. The recent Federal election was a rejection of all the polls and pretty well all commentators who were expecting another Red Tide or some cases a Red Tsunami came up red faced. Some even predicted Labor would win 86 seats. Yes some commentators were speaking partly in hopes and dreams and their bias slipped out into full view but it wasn't just Shorten who was on the nose.
Yes it was a Red vs Blue battle, yes it was a ScoMo vs Bill tussle but in the West it was Mark McGowan who fronted the hustings and one could be forgiven for thinking the Premier was actually running for a Federal seat. The ballot showed what the ballot showed and Mark McGowan since then has been flat out distancing himself from Federal Labor and flat out throwing distraction grenades out ever since...but it may not be enough.
The next WA State Election is a little way off (13th of March 2021) but at some point McGowan and WALabor will actually have to cease with the "The Liberals fault..." for everything angle. They've been in power for a while now & you'd expect they'd be on top of their own term in office by now.
Here's the thing, WALabor is in full fright mode. They only have to lose a handful of seats and there's more than a handful of seats that sit on 3-5% swing, which in the scheme of things is a coin toss. They really do know they're on the cusp of "One Term Wonder" status. I suspect this is why you see a big rush of photo ops with international who's who types. Tennis players, actors filming here & then bringing popularist sport stunts like Mixed Martial Arts cage fighting to WA along with Manchester United. These distraction grenades aren't helping the regions who're being stripped of Royalties for Regions to cross subsidise bold election promises in key metro based Labor seats.
McTiernan is still devoutly ANTI LIVE EXPORT despite the industry having a 7+ year descending trendline in Transit Mortality Rate, despite having the best Animal Welfare outcomes across the globe, despite it holding up the entire sheep market & farm gate price, despite it having competitors that have NO Animal Welfare standards or regulations. Despite us having NO ability to process an additional 3 million head of livestock here in Australia, nor having any market to sell them into. Banning Live Export will deliver the worst Animal Welfare Outcomes possible, remove all regulations to keeping it a cruelty free and destroy regional economies in the process.
Despite what you've been told by some, there is no evidence whatsoever that the current Ag Minister has anything on her mind except "Plan B" and "transition". She is an Animal Rights activist, always has been.
Transport Minister...well she can't manage much more than dart throwing across the floor of the chamber. She even had to break off ports from her Transport Portfolio because she's battling to manage METRONET or as many are calling it "MetroDEBT" and just wait til those real numbers fall out of the ether. Its a massive mess & it is going to plunge us into some deep debt.
Education, mess...thankfully School of the Air was saved from being abolished. If you're a minister and think that's a good idea to run with, you're either not telling cabinet or cabinet are all dangerous fools. That should have been enough to remove her from office, along with her already departed confidence from the sector.
Dave Kelly...the minister who was alleged to have feigned a head butt across the chamber at a female MP from the opposition, who was going to expand the Rock Lobster Industry and make the industry subsidise cheap lobsters for the domestic market and wait til you see what he's really been doing & not doing with water.
I'm staggered how bad things are being run, Emergency Services is in a diabolical state, especially in rural areas. Yet to meet anyone with soaring confidence in that area or in that minister. Police are being denied a sensible pay rise & what small gain they will get will be gobbled up by the cost of rent in rural postings, in fact it will only go part way to covering the regional posting rent crisis. For most, a rural posting is effectively going to be a big old pay cut.
You'd think a party with such so called union cred in the ranks would not turn this into something rhyming with "Duster Truck".
Health...well wait n see there. We'll see if all the hospitals & campuses get their promised outlays. Several rural & remote hospitals had their renovations slashed and burned.
Meanwhile one priority was clear in the Labor Government's first budget. Did you know that in the Premier's own electorate of Rockingham the basketball courts had more money poured in by him in ONE YEAR than was spent on 2 years of Ice/Meth rehab in Albany over TWO YEARS? True Story.
Of course Albany got royally shafted. "Only Labor will deliver the Ring Road" and no, they haven't and strangely blame the Federal Government. Albany's MP Peter Watson is over the hill and was relegated to "Speaker of the House".
Happy are you Albany? You now have a representative who has no involvement in Government Business at all, doesn't enter into debate except to umpire and never votes on any legislation before the house at all. Now someone asked me what is the signature project that Peter Watson has delivered for Albany. I can't think of one.
One of Albany's biggest newest highly spouted projects was the Albany Wave Farm. Financially its imploded and all the jobs it was going to bring Albany, all but 2 were in Perth and one of those was in EUROPE!!!
Then there's a bunch of links with the Chinese Communist Government in business equations.
Apparently not just me thinking the red tide will recede like a Tsunami in reverse and possible we may see WA Inc Mark II heading our way. All the while cosily rubbing the chest of Rio & BHP, the 2 biggest foreign owned mining giants who still pay a 1964 rate of pittance for the Special Rental Fee.
The Labor Party is the master of shiny squirrels, distraction grenades, untruth bombs with smoke & mirrors. But to completely butcher the metaphor I'm not sure they can pull a 30 ton rabbit out of miniature hat.
Its a long way from the State Election, no commentators will call a prediction. certainly not since they all got it so horribly wrong at the Federal Election. It certainly was the case Bill Shorten did lose the unlosable election and his front man in WA steering the bulk of the face campaign was Mark McGowan. No doubt he went flat strap distancing himself from Shorten, saying the promises were too grandiose.
Watch this space. WALabor may just turn into a one term wonder. The economy is worse than most are letting on. Fee & charges in WA will rise. I think WALabor will be punished for delivering pain.
20 months out & ticking
WALabor certainly has its ebb & flow dynamic. The recent Federal election was a rejection of all the polls and pretty well all commentators who were expecting another Red Tide or some cases a Red Tsunami came up red faced. Some even predicted Labor would win 86 seats. Yes some commentators were speaking partly in hopes and dreams and their bias slipped out into full view but it wasn't just Shorten who was on the nose.
Yes it was a Red vs Blue battle, yes it was a ScoMo vs Bill tussle but in the West it was Mark McGowan who fronted the hustings and one could be forgiven for thinking the Premier was actually running for a Federal seat. The ballot showed what the ballot showed and Mark McGowan since then has been flat out distancing himself from Federal Labor and flat out throwing distraction grenades out ever since...but it may not be enough.
The next WA State Election is a little way off (13th of March 2021) but at some point McGowan and WALabor will actually have to cease with the "The Liberals fault..." for everything angle. They've been in power for a while now & you'd expect they'd be on top of their own term in office by now.
Here's the thing, WALabor is in full fright mode. They only have to lose a handful of seats and there's more than a handful of seats that sit on 3-5% swing, which in the scheme of things is a coin toss. They really do know they're on the cusp of "One Term Wonder" status. I suspect this is why you see a big rush of photo ops with international who's who types. Tennis players, actors filming here & then bringing popularist sport stunts like Mixed Martial Arts cage fighting to WA along with Manchester United. These distraction grenades aren't helping the regions who're being stripped of Royalties for Regions to cross subsidise bold election promises in key metro based Labor seats.
McTiernan is still devoutly ANTI LIVE EXPORT despite the industry having a 7+ year descending trendline in Transit Mortality Rate, despite having the best Animal Welfare outcomes across the globe, despite it holding up the entire sheep market & farm gate price, despite it having competitors that have NO Animal Welfare standards or regulations. Despite us having NO ability to process an additional 3 million head of livestock here in Australia, nor having any market to sell them into. Banning Live Export will deliver the worst Animal Welfare Outcomes possible, remove all regulations to keeping it a cruelty free and destroy regional economies in the process.
Despite what you've been told by some, there is no evidence whatsoever that the current Ag Minister has anything on her mind except "Plan B" and "transition". She is an Animal Rights activist, always has been.
Transport Minister...well she can't manage much more than dart throwing across the floor of the chamber. She even had to break off ports from her Transport Portfolio because she's battling to manage METRONET or as many are calling it "MetroDEBT" and just wait til those real numbers fall out of the ether. Its a massive mess & it is going to plunge us into some deep debt.
Education, mess...thankfully School of the Air was saved from being abolished. If you're a minister and think that's a good idea to run with, you're either not telling cabinet or cabinet are all dangerous fools. That should have been enough to remove her from office, along with her already departed confidence from the sector.
Dave Kelly...the minister who was alleged to have feigned a head butt across the chamber at a female MP from the opposition, who was going to expand the Rock Lobster Industry and make the industry subsidise cheap lobsters for the domestic market and wait til you see what he's really been doing & not doing with water.
I'm staggered how bad things are being run, Emergency Services is in a diabolical state, especially in rural areas. Yet to meet anyone with soaring confidence in that area or in that minister. Police are being denied a sensible pay rise & what small gain they will get will be gobbled up by the cost of rent in rural postings, in fact it will only go part way to covering the regional posting rent crisis. For most, a rural posting is effectively going to be a big old pay cut.
You'd think a party with such so called union cred in the ranks would not turn this into something rhyming with "Duster Truck".
Health...well wait n see there. We'll see if all the hospitals & campuses get their promised outlays. Several rural & remote hospitals had their renovations slashed and burned.
Meanwhile one priority was clear in the Labor Government's first budget. Did you know that in the Premier's own electorate of Rockingham the basketball courts had more money poured in by him in ONE YEAR than was spent on 2 years of Ice/Meth rehab in Albany over TWO YEARS? True Story.
Of course Albany got royally shafted. "Only Labor will deliver the Ring Road" and no, they haven't and strangely blame the Federal Government. Albany's MP Peter Watson is over the hill and was relegated to "Speaker of the House".
Happy are you Albany? You now have a representative who has no involvement in Government Business at all, doesn't enter into debate except to umpire and never votes on any legislation before the house at all. Now someone asked me what is the signature project that Peter Watson has delivered for Albany. I can't think of one.
One of Albany's biggest newest highly spouted projects was the Albany Wave Farm. Financially its imploded and all the jobs it was going to bring Albany, all but 2 were in Perth and one of those was in EUROPE!!!
Then there's a bunch of links with the Chinese Communist Government in business equations.
Apparently not just me thinking the red tide will recede like a Tsunami in reverse and possible we may see WA Inc Mark II heading our way. All the while cosily rubbing the chest of Rio & BHP, the 2 biggest foreign owned mining giants who still pay a 1964 rate of pittance for the Special Rental Fee.
The Labor Party is the master of shiny squirrels, distraction grenades, untruth bombs with smoke & mirrors. But to completely butcher the metaphor I'm not sure they can pull a 30 ton rabbit out of miniature hat.
Its a long way from the State Election, no commentators will call a prediction. certainly not since they all got it so horribly wrong at the Federal Election. It certainly was the case Bill Shorten did lose the unlosable election and his front man in WA steering the bulk of the face campaign was Mark McGowan. No doubt he went flat strap distancing himself from Shorten, saying the promises were too grandiose.
Watch this space. WALabor may just turn into a one term wonder. The economy is worse than most are letting on. Fee & charges in WA will rise. I think WALabor will be punished for delivering pain.
20 months out & ticking
Sunday, 30 June 2019
What's missing in Joe Hilderbrand's view on Israel Folau
Does Joe get it right all the time? Nope, like me he's afflicted with the ability to be well meaning but not actually 100% correct. No one's perfect. Partly that's what Folau was getting at. Christians are not perfect, they're sinners too. The difference is whist Christians aren't perfect they are saved.
No one gets into Heaven on their own actions, the Bible is abundantly clear on that, that's why a Christ came & replaced the 10 commandments. Well not replaced but strengthened what those laws were saying, you can't make it on your own, you need Christ. That's what Israel Folau said & meant in the meme. Read it again, all the way through.
Couple of things for Joe...
Yes in the Dark Ages you could be put to death for possessing even a part of the Scriptures. An action that is not supported by any part of the Scriptures I should point out.
The church is not, nor has it even been a de facto state but the Roman Catholic Church is a sovereign state & always has been. Again not something encouraged by Scriptures at all. If anything, Scriptures warned us about it.
Joe mentioned "...and hearing first hand about a radical preacher who drank copious amounts of wine, consorted with prostitutes and declared no rich man would get into heaven." I'm not sure who he means. If he means Christ, he's actually set out as the new High Priest, the new King & the Messiah and He never ever "declared no rich man would get into heaven.". It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. Put it this way, its easier for someone to die & be risen or maybe walk on water than a rich man enter the kingdom of God. Point is, as Scripture points out clearly, all things are possible with Christ & God. A rich man can possible enter the Kingdom of God. Money is not a sin, the LOVE of money is. If you love money more than Christ. Just putting that out there Joe. :-)
Contradictory verses? Well no, if you find a contradiction you haven't found the in Context exegesis yet. Scripture is also clear, Scripture proves Scripture. Keep checking, some way to go.
Thousand of unknown authors? No. 66 books by 40 authors and the veracity the further you go back is clear. In fact in Christ & Pre Christ times the scholars and scribes were highly regulated. Every letter and punctuation mark in Hebrew had a numerical value. The scribes wrote under close supervision, each line had to have the exact same numerical value, each line was added up & sections had to arrive at a specific numerical value. If they were out by just one, it was destroyed as it was seen as a travesty against God. It was pretty serious and some of the oldest surviving copies of the Torah don't deviate from modern copies of the Torah. Just saying.
Yes Israel read the Bible and made the comments he did. I'm still waiting for someone to explain, with proper in context Exegesis, why & how, what he said was not in line with Scripture. So far, it lines up very well with Scripture whether you believe in the Scriptures or not.
Yes the media leapt on it. For good reason, it was always going to sell. A clash between the large and influential LBGTI movement of today and the Christian view. And hasn't the media done such a great job at injecting more push in the scrum? It sells, it sells well. Its the old 60 Minutes approach. Polarise 2 sides, sit in the middle and stoke, stoke, stoke them a week later read more polarising letters.
LBGTI movement has been persecuted over the centuries, but that's not why they're raising hell. They're complaining about Folau getting millions to fight a legal battle whilst its impossible to get the same amount for starving or homeless. Its also the case that the LGBTI "movement" (and it is now a political movement) is not pounding the press over gay people being launched off buildings to their deaths. Nor is it, quite noticeably going after any religion except Christianity. Its not pursuing Imams & other Islamic clerics to revise their scriptures to embrace LBGTI. Check the Qaran, Christopher Hitchins tried getting and answer out of Waleed Aly...can someone be a good muslim and gay. Aly went for a watered down dodgeball.
Maybe Madga & others can nail Waleed down in this based on their Scriptures...and other religions too.
Interesting also, if Folau can & should be sacked & it's not unreasonable seeing Qantas is a major sponsor & its CEO is a prominent member of the LBGTI movement...or perceived so. Joyce was employed to be a CEO. Its not his money, its the company's and he works for the company and his fiduciary duty is very clear...he is to work in the best interests of the shareholders & the company. What if the shareholders & the company decide his actions in SSM & the Folau issue are too controversial and anti Christian or just not in the best interests of the company can QATAS sack Alan Joyce? Going by the Folau action of dismissal he can & no one should complain. Madga can have any contract she has cancelled if she strays from what her employers deem is a boundary.
They're not saying that, they're only out to get one guy from one religion that offers a path to salvation. LBGTI people were not singled out, but their movement was keen to take umbrage & single Folau out.
Folau did not ask for gays to be stoned or thrown off buildings. He promoted that we're all sinners and only Christ can save us.
If you disagree with that, ignore it and walk on. Let the man play football and say what he wants as long as its not inciting hate. He aimed squarely at sinners which is all of us, including him. Scripture is clear, Christ is the only one who's getting into Heaven and isn't a sinner. All those who walk into Heaven are sinners, everyone born of man & woman are sinners. Some are going to Heaven, some are going to Hell by the Scriptures and by Scriptures YOU GET TO CHOOSE WHICH PLACE YOU GO. Yes Scripture is pretty clear on Free Will.
Now the argument then comes, 'but times have changed and we're more progressive and we all have to change' well that can only be predicated on you not believing in Scripture...your choice, free will. But if you believe in the Scriptures and believe times have changed and we have to as well...well get your thoughts together and explain to God why He has to now apologise to Sodom & Gomorrah.
Use some in context exegesis of Scripture to prop that up.
As for the Roman Catholic Church it diverges in Scripture often, it changed the 10 Commandments, it ignores the requirements for the office of pastor completely, it offers forgiveness when Scripture is very clear that no person on earth has that Authority & the "Holy Father" name given to the pope is clearly said to be used by no one at all, its God's name & title. That's the tip of the iceberg, the RCC is very non or anti Scripture so for my money its not a Christian church.
Just a few things Joe. Reckon you're close but more closely everyone's missing what this means for contract law. We can outlaw a person expressing political or religious views in their own time. In fact a company can decide what's objectionable and call for someone to be sacked.
Not good Joe. Meanwhile in Iran...
No one gets into Heaven on their own actions, the Bible is abundantly clear on that, that's why a Christ came & replaced the 10 commandments. Well not replaced but strengthened what those laws were saying, you can't make it on your own, you need Christ. That's what Israel Folau said & meant in the meme. Read it again, all the way through.
Couple of things for Joe...
Yes in the Dark Ages you could be put to death for possessing even a part of the Scriptures. An action that is not supported by any part of the Scriptures I should point out.
The church is not, nor has it even been a de facto state but the Roman Catholic Church is a sovereign state & always has been. Again not something encouraged by Scriptures at all. If anything, Scriptures warned us about it.
Joe mentioned "...and hearing first hand about a radical preacher who drank copious amounts of wine, consorted with prostitutes and declared no rich man would get into heaven." I'm not sure who he means. If he means Christ, he's actually set out as the new High Priest, the new King & the Messiah and He never ever "declared no rich man would get into heaven.". It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. Put it this way, its easier for someone to die & be risen or maybe walk on water than a rich man enter the kingdom of God. Point is, as Scripture points out clearly, all things are possible with Christ & God. A rich man can possible enter the Kingdom of God. Money is not a sin, the LOVE of money is. If you love money more than Christ. Just putting that out there Joe. :-)
Contradictory verses? Well no, if you find a contradiction you haven't found the in Context exegesis yet. Scripture is also clear, Scripture proves Scripture. Keep checking, some way to go.
Thousand of unknown authors? No. 66 books by 40 authors and the veracity the further you go back is clear. In fact in Christ & Pre Christ times the scholars and scribes were highly regulated. Every letter and punctuation mark in Hebrew had a numerical value. The scribes wrote under close supervision, each line had to have the exact same numerical value, each line was added up & sections had to arrive at a specific numerical value. If they were out by just one, it was destroyed as it was seen as a travesty against God. It was pretty serious and some of the oldest surviving copies of the Torah don't deviate from modern copies of the Torah. Just saying.
Yes Israel read the Bible and made the comments he did. I'm still waiting for someone to explain, with proper in context Exegesis, why & how, what he said was not in line with Scripture. So far, it lines up very well with Scripture whether you believe in the Scriptures or not.
Yes the media leapt on it. For good reason, it was always going to sell. A clash between the large and influential LBGTI movement of today and the Christian view. And hasn't the media done such a great job at injecting more push in the scrum? It sells, it sells well. Its the old 60 Minutes approach. Polarise 2 sides, sit in the middle and stoke, stoke, stoke them a week later read more polarising letters.
LBGTI movement has been persecuted over the centuries, but that's not why they're raising hell. They're complaining about Folau getting millions to fight a legal battle whilst its impossible to get the same amount for starving or homeless. Its also the case that the LGBTI "movement" (and it is now a political movement) is not pounding the press over gay people being launched off buildings to their deaths. Nor is it, quite noticeably going after any religion except Christianity. Its not pursuing Imams & other Islamic clerics to revise their scriptures to embrace LBGTI. Check the Qaran, Christopher Hitchins tried getting and answer out of Waleed Aly...can someone be a good muslim and gay. Aly went for a watered down dodgeball.
Maybe Madga & others can nail Waleed down in this based on their Scriptures...and other religions too.
Interesting also, if Folau can & should be sacked & it's not unreasonable seeing Qantas is a major sponsor & its CEO is a prominent member of the LBGTI movement...or perceived so. Joyce was employed to be a CEO. Its not his money, its the company's and he works for the company and his fiduciary duty is very clear...he is to work in the best interests of the shareholders & the company. What if the shareholders & the company decide his actions in SSM & the Folau issue are too controversial and anti Christian or just not in the best interests of the company can QATAS sack Alan Joyce? Going by the Folau action of dismissal he can & no one should complain. Madga can have any contract she has cancelled if she strays from what her employers deem is a boundary.
They're not saying that, they're only out to get one guy from one religion that offers a path to salvation. LBGTI people were not singled out, but their movement was keen to take umbrage & single Folau out.
Folau did not ask for gays to be stoned or thrown off buildings. He promoted that we're all sinners and only Christ can save us.
If you disagree with that, ignore it and walk on. Let the man play football and say what he wants as long as its not inciting hate. He aimed squarely at sinners which is all of us, including him. Scripture is clear, Christ is the only one who's getting into Heaven and isn't a sinner. All those who walk into Heaven are sinners, everyone born of man & woman are sinners. Some are going to Heaven, some are going to Hell by the Scriptures and by Scriptures YOU GET TO CHOOSE WHICH PLACE YOU GO. Yes Scripture is pretty clear on Free Will.
Now the argument then comes, 'but times have changed and we're more progressive and we all have to change' well that can only be predicated on you not believing in Scripture...your choice, free will. But if you believe in the Scriptures and believe times have changed and we have to as well...well get your thoughts together and explain to God why He has to now apologise to Sodom & Gomorrah.
Use some in context exegesis of Scripture to prop that up.
As for the Roman Catholic Church it diverges in Scripture often, it changed the 10 Commandments, it ignores the requirements for the office of pastor completely, it offers forgiveness when Scripture is very clear that no person on earth has that Authority & the "Holy Father" name given to the pope is clearly said to be used by no one at all, its God's name & title. That's the tip of the iceberg, the RCC is very non or anti Scripture so for my money its not a Christian church.
Just a few things Joe. Reckon you're close but more closely everyone's missing what this means for contract law. We can outlaw a person expressing political or religious views in their own time. In fact a company can decide what's objectionable and call for someone to be sacked.
Not good Joe. Meanwhile in Iran...
Saturday, 29 June 2019
W.A.'s Voluntary Assisted Dying...partially unwrapped
Everyone has a view of whether it should pass into legislation or not & some are already commenting on the legislation...and yet there is none. None at all, its not passed & its not even a draft bill.
In fact the McCusker led Expert Panel Report has only been submitted this week, just a few short days ago. So do I support the legislation? No, because there is none and we only have suggestions & views of what the draft bill will contain. Why would I support anything that has absolutely no details at all?
We do know that Victoria's up & running legal model has 6 months attached, the patient must be expected to pass away within 6 months. Whereas the WA model it will be pushed out to 12 months.
In Victoria 2 doctors are required to carry out an assessment & sign off on it before Euthanasia can commence. In WA it may end up being one doctor & one Nurse Practitioner due to the possible scarcity of doctors in rural & regional areas. Its a fair point, however in some areas it may be a bit of a wait for one doctor. I would have expected that this will be a procedure that won't be happening very often & where it does it's likely to be where greater medical attention & patient care is. It's in the palliative care stage and would hope there's more than one doctor within a 100km.
In Victoria, the patient must be a Victoria resident of at least 12 months. In WA there's a curious departure from that with McCusker report suggesting 6 months due to the large amount of FIFO people. I would imagine if you're a FIFO worker & you're considering euthanasia then you probably haven't been working for 6-12 months anyway. I guess there'll be exceptions but I don't think your primary workplace should be regarded as your primary place of residence. If the family home is in Adelaide & & you FIFO to the Pilbara...well its one for the legislators to ponder over.
Its likely also that it may not be allowable for a person with dementia or Alzheimer's. I guess that will be sorted out but knowing when a person was capable of making a rational decision is one thing, how long that decision has statute is another. You make the decision at 52 & 12 years later you're declining in health badly, does the decision still stand?
Personally not too phased, with the composition of the Lower & Upper House in WA I expect the legislation to receive full vigour.
Where I am a little worried is how the differing views might get presented.
I think there's a chance some who are more anti Christian than non Christian might see the chance to fire pot shots, possible too some people of faith will cite chapter & verse of the Bible/Quran/whatever holy scriptures and be either cop flak or hit a dead end.
Here's the thing. People of faith may well have a view that's formed from or by their faith. That's as valid as any other differing view. If people of faith though want to make any sort of progress they cannot make a faith based argument. Reason is that's called "arguing from authority" and if other people do not recognise nor adhere to that authority they won't be swayed by it and some may actually be further compelled to oppose it.
So a religious person can be motivated by their faith, but they should argue with a secular argument otherwise its just brick walls.
Having said that, I know it won't happen but people probably shouldn't cite their own experience. I know of a person who was at death's door but Euthanasia wasn't available. I won't be presenting his experience, his wishes at the time or explaining the immense pain & discomfort he was going through in his last 6-8 weeks stuck in hospital. Its only the technical aspects, or rather all the aspects de-personalised that is most valid.
Yes, his experience was confronting to say the very least but I cannot & won't use it to either support or oppose VAD. I can see many will take the opportunity to vent personal experience.
The Aust Medical Assoc. has apparently stated that VAD is not a medical matter therefore they are opposing it, citing it is contrary to all their professional values. Not sure if it was the AMA but I respect their view and we also have to respect the view of the doctors who will wish to not be involved in any VAD. I don't know if there'll be an opt in or opt out doctor's register but no one should be forced to assist in the death of anyone else.
How do I think it will pan out? Well at the risk of sounding like Doris Day with a "whatever will be will be" well...exactly that really. I think the proposed legislation will get run through the proverbial wringers and that is exactly what should happen with such a topic of such huge gravity.
Will there be a filibuster? Probably, don't care to be honest. All parties have done that so no one's got high moral ground to complain about that political tactic. I notice no one's pushing desperately for that to be abolished in legislation.
Its a bit like SSM, the sooner the government is not involved in it the better. Leave it to people's free choice & free will. From a Christian perspective, even if it were a sin that would deny someone of resurrection, its free will & that is a conservative value.
I think it will eventually pass but not before much pontificating and moralising from both sides.
Labor is dead set keen on bringing it in, but they mostly have an issue of straying into religious territory they cannot occupy. I expect they will claim it's immoral to oppose it, that the opposition (or those opposing it at least) are cold & immoral.
Here's the thing, making a moral claim you have to cite a moral code. If you're a humanist, an atheist, agnostic that gets pretty hard because you're taking on a moral judgement when you're either a moral relativist (what you think is moral must be...otherwise known as a personal opinion) or you've adopted society norms about which none are actually formed as its not legal yet. Which also leaves the uncomfortable possibility that a devout Labor follower could employ an intellectually corrupt tactic by claiming its "immoral" due to society law & it fails as a bill.
Again, it has to be de-personalised and secular, fully fact, evidence & data based.
It will be difficult and it will be politically charged.
This will likely be a left vs right barrage even if there's a quite a few from the non left supporting it.
Labor will champion this & will try to earn electoral mileage at every minor turn.
Exactly what the debate does not need.
In fact the McCusker led Expert Panel Report has only been submitted this week, just a few short days ago. So do I support the legislation? No, because there is none and we only have suggestions & views of what the draft bill will contain. Why would I support anything that has absolutely no details at all?
We do know that Victoria's up & running legal model has 6 months attached, the patient must be expected to pass away within 6 months. Whereas the WA model it will be pushed out to 12 months.
In Victoria 2 doctors are required to carry out an assessment & sign off on it before Euthanasia can commence. In WA it may end up being one doctor & one Nurse Practitioner due to the possible scarcity of doctors in rural & regional areas. Its a fair point, however in some areas it may be a bit of a wait for one doctor. I would have expected that this will be a procedure that won't be happening very often & where it does it's likely to be where greater medical attention & patient care is. It's in the palliative care stage and would hope there's more than one doctor within a 100km.
In Victoria, the patient must be a Victoria resident of at least 12 months. In WA there's a curious departure from that with McCusker report suggesting 6 months due to the large amount of FIFO people. I would imagine if you're a FIFO worker & you're considering euthanasia then you probably haven't been working for 6-12 months anyway. I guess there'll be exceptions but I don't think your primary workplace should be regarded as your primary place of residence. If the family home is in Adelaide & & you FIFO to the Pilbara...well its one for the legislators to ponder over.
Its likely also that it may not be allowable for a person with dementia or Alzheimer's. I guess that will be sorted out but knowing when a person was capable of making a rational decision is one thing, how long that decision has statute is another. You make the decision at 52 & 12 years later you're declining in health badly, does the decision still stand?
Personally not too phased, with the composition of the Lower & Upper House in WA I expect the legislation to receive full vigour.
Where I am a little worried is how the differing views might get presented.
I think there's a chance some who are more anti Christian than non Christian might see the chance to fire pot shots, possible too some people of faith will cite chapter & verse of the Bible/Quran/whatever holy scriptures and be either cop flak or hit a dead end.
Here's the thing. People of faith may well have a view that's formed from or by their faith. That's as valid as any other differing view. If people of faith though want to make any sort of progress they cannot make a faith based argument. Reason is that's called "arguing from authority" and if other people do not recognise nor adhere to that authority they won't be swayed by it and some may actually be further compelled to oppose it.
So a religious person can be motivated by their faith, but they should argue with a secular argument otherwise its just brick walls.
Having said that, I know it won't happen but people probably shouldn't cite their own experience. I know of a person who was at death's door but Euthanasia wasn't available. I won't be presenting his experience, his wishes at the time or explaining the immense pain & discomfort he was going through in his last 6-8 weeks stuck in hospital. Its only the technical aspects, or rather all the aspects de-personalised that is most valid.
Yes, his experience was confronting to say the very least but I cannot & won't use it to either support or oppose VAD. I can see many will take the opportunity to vent personal experience.
The Aust Medical Assoc. has apparently stated that VAD is not a medical matter therefore they are opposing it, citing it is contrary to all their professional values. Not sure if it was the AMA but I respect their view and we also have to respect the view of the doctors who will wish to not be involved in any VAD. I don't know if there'll be an opt in or opt out doctor's register but no one should be forced to assist in the death of anyone else.
How do I think it will pan out? Well at the risk of sounding like Doris Day with a "whatever will be will be" well...exactly that really. I think the proposed legislation will get run through the proverbial wringers and that is exactly what should happen with such a topic of such huge gravity.
Will there be a filibuster? Probably, don't care to be honest. All parties have done that so no one's got high moral ground to complain about that political tactic. I notice no one's pushing desperately for that to be abolished in legislation.
Its a bit like SSM, the sooner the government is not involved in it the better. Leave it to people's free choice & free will. From a Christian perspective, even if it were a sin that would deny someone of resurrection, its free will & that is a conservative value.
I think it will eventually pass but not before much pontificating and moralising from both sides.
Labor is dead set keen on bringing it in, but they mostly have an issue of straying into religious territory they cannot occupy. I expect they will claim it's immoral to oppose it, that the opposition (or those opposing it at least) are cold & immoral.
Here's the thing, making a moral claim you have to cite a moral code. If you're a humanist, an atheist, agnostic that gets pretty hard because you're taking on a moral judgement when you're either a moral relativist (what you think is moral must be...otherwise known as a personal opinion) or you've adopted society norms about which none are actually formed as its not legal yet. Which also leaves the uncomfortable possibility that a devout Labor follower could employ an intellectually corrupt tactic by claiming its "immoral" due to society law & it fails as a bill.
Again, it has to be de-personalised and secular, fully fact, evidence & data based.
It will be difficult and it will be politically charged.
This will likely be a left vs right barrage even if there's a quite a few from the non left supporting it.
Labor will champion this & will try to earn electoral mileage at every minor turn.
Exactly what the debate does not need.
Watch this Space
Monday, 24 June 2019
How To Succeed In Fixing Gender Inequality
How To Succeed In Fixing Gender Inequality - Is It Possible?
Short answer is probably, longer answer is probably but is that really what you want and the smart answer starts with a question of "what equality are you specifically talking about?"Answer the question within the smart answer and you have a far better chance of getting where society needs to go, but it might not be where you think or expect.
Equality in job participation overall?
"In 2017–18, almost two-thirds of women (64%) and three quarters of men (75%) aged 20–74 years old were employed, this is referred to as the employment to population ratio"
So how do we fix this, that is go to 50:50? Do we sack 11% of the men or refuse more males in the workforce and only employ women until women's 64% comes up to men's level?
C'mon now, there's a pair of options to bring equality of outcome we're supposed to aspire to if we're to achieve more fair representation. Seems very totalitarian leaning though...
Here's another unlevel playing field...
"In 2017–18, three in every four 'clerical and administrative workers' are women (75%) and nine out of ten 'machine operators' are men (91%), which has remained largely unchanged over the last decade."
How do we even those statistics up, because if you look at the entire gender wage gap, dominance in some higher paid industries of one gender & dominance of lower paid workers in some industries can skew the overall Average earnings of Women vs Men.
There is the thing though. We have pay equality in Australia. You cannot pay a person more or less based on their gender. A female shearer earns no more than a male shearer. The rate is the same.
If someone is paid more or less due to their gender, that's illegal in this country.
Lets consider some of the other pay rates skewing the Men vs Women Earning Pay Gap.
"The industries with the highest proportion of women are 'health care and social assistance' (79%) and 'education and training' (72%), while men dominated the 'construction' (88%) and 'mining' (84%) industries (See Table 1.3). The graphic below demonstrates the gender composition across all industries"
Men are more likely to work outside, in or with machinery or in work shops or in the harder climates. Men are more likely to work more dangerous jobs, they're more likely to be killed or injured in the workplace than women. They're more likely to travel either FIFO or relocate than women. Men are more likely to work full time, women are more likely to work part time
These are just some figures that cannot be weighted out or factored in when calculating the Gender Pay Gap which is total Female Earnings vs the total Male Earners (most often of full time workers).
Women are more likely to own or be buying their home compared to men, men are less likely to own their home outright. There's age & other factors like widow/widower status that is included and skew the male vs female comparison ratio.
Not sure how we address this inequality...but then men are more likely to be killed or injured in active combat, more likely to commit suicide & more likely to go to jail.
Generally I note its more often the call that we need more women in Parliament and on the board of Blue Chip listed companies. I often ponder how it is that we aim for 50:50 ratio in these very high paid, very high profile, white collar jobs (some might say elite jobs) yet no one is pushing for 50:50 interstate truck drivers, 50:50 bricklayers, 50:50 plumbers, shearers, late night taxi drivers, airport baggage handlers.
I'm told that no it's about "representation"...how many society group differences to we cater for?
Just gender & forget other group differences like race, culture, age, religious choice...
In agriculture well over 2/3rds of the employed workforce are men. Do we reduce the numbers of men or refuse males entering that industry until more women get involved & the figure hits 50:50?
Do we reduce the numbers of women in Heath Care, Childcare or Education & Training?
All these angle to reduce or increase numbers is "equality of outcome" (leftist) not "equality of opportunity" (conservative). Engineering the result is leftist and utterly unfair. Letting the market decide with the same rate of pay per hour work for the same level of productivity is already enshrined in law.
Pregnancy - Ahh the curve ball that's answered by saying men can take time off too in some jurisdictions & that its unfair to penalise a woman for taking time off to have a baby. Here's the thing, anyone who takes a sabbatical (irrespective of their gender) is harming their career, it is a set back. That's life, not long ago few women were even allowed to have the Equal Opportunity (freedom to choose their own job).
Its unfair on the employer if extended time off work is taken by staff for whatever reason. Apparently lengthy time off work can be taken with no ill effect on the career whilst those continuing to work get no benefit at all. Those women who don't or can't have children...what happens there? To be fair do they get a sabbatical that's equivalent to the average women's time off work for child birth & rearing?
No what we need to do is identify very closely what the EQUALIT & INEQUALITY actually is...
If women want more equality, if they want the gender gap removed they have to work longer hours than they currently do, they'll need to occupy higher paying jobs that are more often outside. More often far more dangerous. Require FIFO or to relocate and generally lead to less time with the family.
Women need to be very careful what they wish for. Most of the higher paying jobs are longer hours, more dangerous and dominated by men. There's equal opportunity for them already. No one's stopping them going to jobs with higher risks, higher responsibilities to the safety of others.
What is it you want to equal up & fix?
Do we identify every other demographic and decide the percentages of certain races in certain industries is wrong and they should show a particular representative percentage in every field?
There's a huge disparity in the number of young males in one particular field. AFL Players.
There's no over 40s, no over 50s, no over 60s...that's not fair. There's no women playing AFL, why is that? Equal Outcomes says every club's playing group must be 50:50 men/women. The fact is we have Equal Opportunity and its very unlikely we'll get enough women the high standard in high enough numbers to make 50:50. We'd see a loss in playing standard. That'd mean a loss in income & returns for all involved.
Well why can't women in the AFLW be paid the same as men in the AFL?
Business fundamentals. Can the AFLW fill the MCG on its own separate Grand Final day?
Do you think the AFLW will generate 100,000+ spectators on their own grand final day?
Some things in life are fair & some unfair, some things are unequal but fair.
In nations where the Engineering of Equal Outcomes has been the greatest its actually led to wider equality disparity which is completely the opposite of all the predictions. Search some Jordan Petersen videos to learn more.
In the meantime, know what the inequality is that you think is unfair before you even think of engineering a solution. I'll just sit here and wait.
Graph above from...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-21/the-most-gendered-top-jobs-in-australia/9775544
Wednesday, 19 June 2019
Labor Policy - It's Time
Yes Labor its time to step away from your Policy Platform of opposing and banning Live Export.
NOW.
The Transit Mortality Rate has been on a falling trendline for over 7 years, that's even including the unacceptable Awassi disaster.
Recent shipment to Israel had 60 animal deaths & the whole world has lost its mind despite the facts. 60 animals out of 20,000. That's 0.3% and the reportable level is many times above that.
It's a mere slice of a fraction of the number of lambs that get taken each night by foxes/dogs.
Its a mere fraction of all the unnecessary deaths in the lucrative Pet Industry in Australia
Qatar has already stated it will buy live from Somalia, Sudan & South America if they're prevented from buying live from Australia. Those countries don't have any regulated Animal Welfare structure like the world leading ESCAS that Australia has. South America is an extra 5 weeks at sea. If that's not bad enough, Qatar said if prevented from buying our live they will not buy our chilled meat.
They already do buy chilled but its a very small amount & its a premium market item.
Gets worse, they said they will not buy grain from us. That's a huge triple whammy economic hit to WA's export economy. HUGE.
Why does Live Export even exist?
If you listen to cult extremists its because producers are cruel and love blood money.
Utter rubbish.
Live export exists because the overseas feedlots operate at a fraction of the cost. In the case of Indonesia, at around 1/5th of the cost of an Australian feedlot. Their slaughter/processing costs even lower. So they cannot get overseas protein onto their plate anywhere near the low cost Livex does.
Here's the irony though, its actually what holds the Australian farm gate price for livestock up so high. If Aust slaughter/processed meat is so great it would be out performing Live Export on the price point. It doesn't it can't. The overseas buyers don't want to buy a product that in some cases will be 8 times more expensive just landed to their port. It is cruel to deny them reasonably priced protein and the amount of jobs their import trade produces. Latte soaked art gallery dwellers will cause those countries to stay 3rd world with less jobs & pay higher prices for meat.
Added to all that, there is not the ability to kill & process an additional 3 million animals in Australia and sell them into overseas markets to maintain the current market place price. It is not possible even in a magical unicorn world.
Now if the socialists want to push for the ban, they can stick to their perverted socialist dogma & under write the current prices for the next 20 years with subsidies to maintain the farmgate price so jobs aren't lost. THIS is where the Socialists get all free market all of a sudden...Socialist to ban the trade, then switch to Free Marketeers to let the industry sink without a care as the local, regional & state economy takes a massive hit.
THIS is why there is the famous saying "If Socialist understood economics there'd be no Socialists"
Mean while 250,000 animals are killed each year in this country. Ask the RSPCA. They're all pets. That doesn't include all the one that died through, injury, disease or neglect and got buried in the back yard & never went to a Vet.
Animals die. Its a part of life. A ship that had 60 head out of 20,000 die is unfortunate but it's life and its well below the acceptable limit & the Transit Mortality Rate is STILL FALLING.
Trying to ban a trade based on the Awassi disaster is appalling intellectual corruption. You do not ban a trade based on statistical outliers. If we apply this ludicrous non logic then we must ban all tea-totallers from driving cars to try & reduce the amount of drink driving accidents.
It is absurd and now the Federal Election is gone and settled NOW is the time for Federal & WA Labor to wise up and dump banning Live Export from its out of date, out of step Policy Platform. It doesn't and can never work for the benefit of anyone in this country or the customer country, their workers and customers. It will deliver a huge gift to our supply competitors, puts all animals without Animal Welfare protection & will devastate the struggling Australian regions.
Meanwhile, last night feral cats killed an estimate 2 million animals by the research statistics...no outrage.
Meanwhile wild dogs and foxes took or injured more livestock and native fauna last night...no outrage.
If Live export is banned, nearly all livestock production in the pastoral regions, the biggest amount of the nation stops. That means all conservation, bushfire & landcare work will stop. There'll be no producers financially able to carry it out & land will either be neglected or go into care taker mode.
Labor has designed a huge economic, ecological & financial disaster by wanting to Ban Live export and have tried to hide it with weasel words by calling it a "transition".
It is a transition to utter disaster and widespread business bankruptcy for producers, country town businesses and the flow on is immense.
Socialists want to be socialists and ban the trade, but not be socialists and subsidise & pay for it...
Hypocrisy and intellectually corrupt.
Drop the Policy Labor - Its Time. Fully Support Live Export or your in favour of disaster.
GO AHEAD LABOR DROP THE POLICY PLATFORM. SUPPORT OUR ECONOMY THAT DELIVERS GOOD PROPER ECONOMIC STABILITY, GROWTH & GOOD ANIMAL WELFARE PROTECTION
FACTS NOT FEELINGS.
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