Monday, 2 July 2018

Debating the Left, Fascism, Distractions & Derailing

Here's classic example of how some leftists will use identity politics to derail a debate or discussion.
Why? Its quicker, faster & easier to upset the apple cart than using facts and actual researched data from history, science...you know accepted evidence.

A twitter poster went a little rabid on the anti side against the Save Moora College campaign.
All behind an anonymous twitter account. Why do it with hidden identity? More later.

Interesting is how very defensive the twit became on Labor's actions to close the college but as soon as the blow torch was applied there, that closed. Then it was just a defence of Labor by attack all those who were pro Save Moora College. This enabled the "moorjacker" to avoid the use of facts that directly apply to the closure of the college & the good reasons to leave it open.

Distraction launched.

The narrative they unfolded had two possible origins. Either it was a less than informed very pro Labor Party supporter or it was a very well informed and very close to, or inside of the Labor Party who need to use distractions to derail.

Yes I probably engaged longer than a should have but if you're to narrow theories on who's hiding their identity and using feelings not facts well you have to entertain them longer than you should.

It didn't take long before Goodwin's Theory was introduced, that is the debate stalls & the inclusion of Nazi Germany is used to bolster a failing argument. Time to go a little further a little deeper and let loose far more rope.

I posted up a video that explains that Fascism is actually from the Left not the Right and posted a video from Dinesh D'Souza ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6bSsaVL6gA )

He clearly sets out the philosophical founder of Fascism, an Italian closely linked in the day with Mussolini. The Socialist Philosopher's name is Giovanni Gentile.

Now the Anon Tweeter could deconstruct the facts that D'Souza put forward. But no. Not once.
Instead the Tweeter researched D'Souza and claimed he was a convicted neo-conservative criminal who was pardoned by "comrade Trump". Think it speaks volume when he used a term from the left to describe Trump because "comrade" is often used as a negative by conservatives. It was very odd.

I made the point I wasn't aware of D'Souza's court history, I will look it up one day as at a guess the fact it was brought up without any links suggests there's more to it but the tweeter needed to stick to derailing.

I made the point that a person's criminal history does not mean everything they say is a lie. That by sticking to the facts and checking for accuracy it remains the case that facts don't care about your feelings, nor your court history.
I pointed out that Mandela himself had a criminal history. I would not dismiss everything he said because of prison term he served. Nor should any one.

This however translated into me thinking Mandela was the same as a convicted neo-conservative criminal wrongly pardoned by Trump. Again, identity politics, create victimhood to use as leverage to fill the void left by no facts.
I notice that on the 23 occasions I asked the Tweeter if they had ever been a defendant in a court case resulted in silence or another completely unrelated distraction. I did this because I thought well if by their standard people who are charged are somehow guilty of moral falsehood then we should start to look at facts about the tweeter.

So is Fascism of the Left? Yes it is.
Churchill was a staunch Nationalist, but he wasn't a Socialist.
Socialists are all about full state control and domination over the every aspect of the citizen's life because in their view only the state knows what's best, the citizens don't. Any citizen expressing a view contrary to the state is often in a Fascist/Socialist state deemed a traitor. Not a good ending.

Nazi Germany were, by way of looking at their very name "National Socialists".
Where some Socialist regimes are full state control in the fight against Class, the Fascists have a distinct National identity as being paramount and to a lesser extent class warfare. Exactly as Hitler's regime was. Near on full adherence to "the Motherland (Nationalist) as well as full control by the state (Socialist) = Nationalist Socialism.

It is of the left. Do extreme right wing elements attach themselves to Fascist ideals? Yes and many times many people therefore think that Fascism is extreme right wing, except right wing is conservative and very much against state control. The so called extreme right wing nutters only co-join with the racist aspects from Fascism.

So this is twisted by the anon tweeter and thrown back into the mix to distract & derail and very carefully bypassing facts.

This is one VERY determined person. One who is either decidedly and to the point of being an extremist, against the Saving of Moora Residential College. Why the hate for the college and why avoid any facts put forward by affected stakeholders?

Think they're not very determined anti Moora College. I think they're utterly devout and fully fanatical leftist true believers. This isn't so much about Moora College, its about a perceived threat to Labor. An attack Labor cannot sustain if facts are maintained nor if the so called equality nature of Labor dogma is used. They contradict their own dogma by closing Moora College. It's a breach of core Labor policy thinking.

That makes it a political threat. So who would be so worried about this genuine silver bullet heading Labor's way. Well no metro based Labor MP.
They just ignore it.
Sue Ellery blocks anyone with Save Moora College hashtags. So has Wyatt, Papalia and others.
Its not on their radar, they mute it from their radar. Its done, move on.

If its an MP its someone trying to prove themselves and its someone rural based, or non metro.
That gives you a fair few to choose from if it is an MP
I think its either an MP or someone very close personally or professionally to a rural Labor MP.
So who is it?

Well...it doesn't matter.
No seriously, it doesn't matter at all if its Labor staffer, Labor MP, or devout branch member somewhere. It matters not at all.

Facts do.

Stick to the facts & you'll notice the tweeter will falter.
They will have to try harder to hide their identity because when the sole focus is facts (not feelings, lies, twisted misleading narratives or identity politics) the tweeter will, no matter how hard they try drop bread crumbs that will lead to their identity.

Facts are their enemy. Stakeholders views are their enemy.
Their best & only hope is distraction and stalling for time.
Bad decisions can be ignored once they're done.

At present Labor is still stalling for time, trying to distract people until the end of the 2018 School Term when it all goes away and the badly affected stakeholders are split up and spread to the 4 winds. Moral blame can go to the previous government and it can be ignored & buried and Sue Ellery still won't need to visit Moora.

WA Nats en mass have visited Moora. Federal National, Senator Bridget McKenzie visited Moora. Liberal leader Mike Nahan visited Moora.

Labor...no they want it to go away. Sue Ellery made a decision without engaging with staekholders and still hasn't gone to Moora. Ben Wyatt and the Premier haven't either.

And they're not real keen on facts either. Its better to stick with emotional distractions or play ientity politics.

The Save Moora College movement is not going away, its growing and it's getting louder. Its growing great support from Perth voters, some of them Labor voters that see an age old Labor value being chucked out to buy votes in Perth. Some may never vote against Labor but its pretty uncomfortable with one Labor voter in the Darling Range by-election saying he'd voted Labor his entire life but he never signed on for this.

So if you engage with anti "Save Moora College" tweeters be very aware. You will be picked apart on any narrative outside of the Moora College to get you distracted (as I was) and kept away from the core central facts (which sadly for them I'm solely sticking to)

If they start lying about your character whilst they hide their identity then it probably is time to block them. To date I've only ever blocked 2 people, one is the Anti Moora person and another was a very abusive anti Live Export vegan.

Stick to the facts. Whether you like it or not, stick to the facts.
Facts don't care about your feelings, they care about the truth.
Stick to the facts central to keeping Moora College open.

Then sit back and watch.

Identity politic, personal attacks, false narratives, unrelated diversions will all increase as will the attempts to illicit a sharp emotional response.

Ignore. Stick to the facts.
The Moora College Movement is not going away.

Nor should it.

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